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Ne perkthimin qe i eshte bere dialogjeve te Platonit mund te jete bere nje gabim naiv qe mund ti kete kushtuar shume historise se njerezimit.
Eshte fjala per numrin e viteve te permendura nga Platoni i ekzistences se Atlantides.
Sipas perkthimit te bere nga Jowett dhe te tjere fjala antike greke "enakischilia" meret si 9000.
Dakord do te thoni .Fjala "kischilia" shpjegohet lehte me numrin 1000,por fjala "ena" eshte pak si e dyshimte te perkthehet "nente" pasi ne greqishten e lashte numrat nuk shkrueshin me fjale por me simbole.Bie fjala numri (1)nje i konrenspondonte germa "a"(alfa).Quhej sistemi alfabetik i cili zevendesoi sistemin akrofonik mbas shkullit te peste p.a.s.Pra i bie qe numrit (9) nente (per ata qe e dine alfabetin grek) ti konrenspondoj germa "th"(thita).Per numrin 9000 perdorej nje simbol i ngjashem me "th" por me nje presje poshte ne krahe te majte te saj dhe vetem kaq.Nuk perdoreshin aspak fjale.Vetem simbole.
Por edhe sikur te jene perdorur fjale (pasi une po spekulloj se nuk e kam lexuar kurre origjinalin) ne greqishten e lashte nenta shqiperohej "ennea " "eneas" dhe aspak "ena".Fjala "ena" ngjason me numrin "nje" te sotem grek.Ne qofte keshtu Plato ka dashur te thote me fjale numrin e viteve qe shume mire mund te kuptohej me sintaksen e gjuhes shqipe "ena=nje, kischilia=mije".Pra njemije vjete dhe jo nente mije vjete.Fjala apo numri 9000 ne greqishten e vjeter duhej te ishte "ENNEAKISCHILIA"(eneahishilia shqip.) dhe jo "ENAKISCHILIA".Ne rast se do ishte shkruar ne simbol "th"+ presje ajo nuk do ishte perkthyer fjale per fjale por do te ishte shkruajtur numri 9000 nga perkthyesit e famshem te tipit Jowett.
Nga kjo del se Platoni e kishte fjalen per nje mije vjete perpara dates 360 p.a.s(kohes ku ai shkroi Dialogjet e famshme) pra i bie qe Atlantida te jete shkateruar reth vitit 1360 p.a.s.
Por kalendaret e Greqise se lashte jane nga me konfuzet qe mund te kene ekzistuar ndonjehere dhe objekt diskutimesh te studioseve te shumte.Cdo qytet shtet kishte kalandarin e saj perpos kesaj ekzistonin tre lloje kalendaresh (se paku ne Athine).Ai festiv ,kalendari (i rregullt) dhe ai politik.Ka shume mundesi qe me 1000 vjetet e Platonit ne te kuptojme 800 vjetet tona.Ne qofte keshtu atehere data e sakte do te ishte 1160 p.a.s.Kemi thene dhe dime se legjenda e Atlantides lindi ne Egjipt dhe u zbulua nga Solon ne vitin 600 p.a.s.Ne dialogun e Platonit historia e Atlantides refehet nga Kritia(xhaxhai Platonit dhe kryetari i grupit "te tridhjetet" qe mori pushtetin me dhune ne Athine ne vitet e rinise se Platonit) pra nje personalitet serioz dhe me prestigj sikurse Soloni ne kohen e tij.Ndaj Platoni sdo te kishte guxuar kurre te vinte ne gojen e xhaxhait te tij gjakatar refimin e nje historie te trilluar prej tij.
Ne vitet 1187-1155 ne Egjipt sundonte faraoni Ramses III i cili njihet si mbrojtesi i Egjiptit nga sulmet e te ashtequajtureve "njerez te detit".Ai perballoi sulmin e fisit "Pelaseve" qe mendohen te jene pjese e ketyre "popujve te detit".Ngjashmeria e emrit "Pelase" me ate "pelazge" eshte mese evidente.Pelaset jetonin ne pjesen e lindjes se mesme qe sot njihet me emrin "Palestine".Per mundesine e origjines indo-evropiane te nje pjese te "palestinezeve" ekziston nje kapitull i tere por ne na interson vetem lidhja e tyre me historine qe ne trajtojme.
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Ekziston edhe nje hipoteze tjeter per sa i perket dates se sakte.Disa mendojne se Platoni ka dashur te thote se behej fjala per muaj.Pra 9000 muaj me pare.Ne qofte keshtu data eshte me precize 1180p.a.s.Pra fillimi i mbreterimit te Faraonit Ramses III dhe fillimi i invazionit te "popujve te detit" ne Mesdhe .

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Anonymous said…
Shiko; ne radhe te pare duhet te kuptosh se te shpjegosh greqishten, si ate te rene edhe ate te vjetren, duhet pak a shume qe ta flasesh ate.
Thua qe kishilia eshte 1,000. Jo nuk eshte e vertete eshte vetem HILIA = 1,000. Tani ne greqishte si ajo e reja edhe e vjetra nuk thuhet nje mije, por thjesht mije. Hilia hronja. mije vjet= nje mije vjet ne shqip. tingellon keq po te vendosesh njeshin perpara. Keshtu qe po ta kishte fjalen per nje mije vite skishte pse ta vendoste enakis perpara hilia. ENAKIS eshte e barabarte me ENEA qe do te thote nende. Mos u mundo te “shpikesh” fjale te reja ne nje gjuhe qe ske haber se kjo fjale eshte aq e perdorur nga historianet e asaj kohe sa qe po te jete njesh sic thua ty…nothing does make sense anymore…
Tani, nuk ishte platoni qe e tha kete fjale por nje prift Egyptian, 200 vjet para platonit. Po te ishte 1,000 edhe jo 9,000 atehere I bie 1,600 B.C jo 1,300. E shikon sa gabim trashanik? Mendoi gjerat para se ti shkruash ta kam thene edhe here tjeter. Se nuk te mer njeri seriozisht. Ketu ska te beje fare patriotismi por realiteti. Sepse jemi Shqiptare duhet te themi qe Atlanti eshte ne Shqiperi?!
Ketu ke nje pjese nga pershkrimi I vendodhjes se Qytetit nga dialogu I Platonit:
“This power came forth out of the Atlantic Sea, for in those days the Atlantic was navigable; and there was an island situated in front of the straits which are by you called the Pillars of Heracles; the island was larger than Libya and Asia put together, and was the way to other islands, and from these you might pass to the whole of the opposite continent which surrounded the true ocean”
“Kjo fuqi erdhi nga Deti Atlantic, sespe ne ato kohe Atlantiku mund te lundrohej; dhe ishte nje ishull perpara kolonave, te ashtuquajtura prej jush, Pillaret e herkulit; Ishulli ishte I madh sa Libia edhe Asia sebashku, dhe ishte ruga per ne ishujt e tjere, dhe prej ketyre ishujve mund te kaloje ne kontinentin e kundert qe rrethonte Oqeanin e vertete”
Sic e shikon I dashur Arben….as edhe nje pike nuk ploteson vendodhjen e Atlantit ne Shqiperi. Ku e ke detin Atlantic? Ku i ke kolonat e herkulit? Ishulli duhet te jete I madh fare sa Libia edhe Asia. Ku jane ishujt e tjere qe shkoje nga Atlanti? Ku eshte kontinenti I kundert qe rrethonte oqeanin e vertete?
Ne websitin tim kishe shkruajtur:
“I dashur Nikas , censura iu ka hije vetem sistemeve totalitare dhe obskurantiste qe kerkojne me cdo kusht te mos zbulohet e verteta. Perse ke frike?”
Ka mundesi te ma parafrazosh?

Me respect NIKAS.
June 06, 2007 4:40 PM
Anonymous said…
Vazhdo ne punen tende kurajoze... Leri tipa si ky siper te lehin....
Qenat le te lehin karavani ecen perpara!!

Po nderon Shqiperine dhe Shqipetaret me keto studime!!!
June 08, 2007 6:15 PM
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I dashur NIkas.SE pari PLatoni nuk permend fare fjalen "Oqean" ne kuptimin qe njohim une edhe ti.Por ne kuptimin e emrit "det".Shtyllat e Herkulit me kalimin e kohes jane shvendosur ne shume zona te detit Mesdhe.Fjala vjen para vitit 260 p.a.s. ngushtica e
Nesines identifikohej pikerisht me kete emer.Shtyllat e Herkulit.
Por ne rast se marim hipotezen e gjendjes se Atlantides pas ngushtices se Gjibraltarit (alias Shtyllat e Herkulit) teoria jote e famshe e Atlantides ne Ishullin e Maltes shkon ne koshin e plehrave.Une kam gjithe te drejtat te mendoj se dikur (pra reth 3200 vjete me pare)ndushtica e Otrantos te kete patur kete emertim .Shtyllat e Herkulit.Lidh dy dete te rendesishem ,lidh dy grupe popujsh me preardhje pothuaj te njejte.Flas per pelasget e teritorit te Shqiperise se sotme me grupet protoilire(pelazge) te Italise se jugut nga ku gjeneroi edhe miti i Herkulit.Une te kisha kerkuar te me ndihmoje me publikimin e shkrimeve origjinale te Platonit.Pasi ajo qe perdorim ne te dy jane thjesht perkthime e sterperkthime nga ku mundesia e "lost in Translation" eshte maksimale.Pyetja ime ishte e thjeshte.Platoni kur permend fjalen 9000 e ka bere kete duke shkruar fjale per fjale apo duke perdorur simbolin alfabetik.Pra simbolin "thita"+ presjen ne ane te majte.Ti nuk munde te me pergjigjesh por vazhdon te me sulmosh me perkthimet e bera nga tipat si Jowett qe zor se mund ta besosh se ka perkthyer Platonin apo ka shpikur nje "Bibel" te re duke e bere Atlantiden , parajsen e Eves dhe Adamit.
I dashur Nikas une nuk jam nje nacionalist i semure qe kerkon te shpike gjera te pa qena per hir te lavdise se kombit te tij.
Perpara kombit tim une jam nje zero absolute.Qe te mar nje vlere pozitive dhe qe ta meritoj tamam emrin tim shqiptar, vetes time i vura kete detyre.
Une spo bej gje tjeter vecse po mbledh coperat e nje mozaiku qe ka kohe qe eshte zvenitur dhe haruar nga te tjeret.Punen time e kam bazuar ne konkluzionet e te tjereve dhe aspak ne "shpikjet" e mija.Nuk eshte "shpikja" ime qe permasat e qytetit te Alantides perputhen me ato te gjirit te Durresit ,pra 7.5 km (50stad).Shiko konkluzionet e KOnferences se Atlantides ne 2005 e mbajtur ne ishullin MIlos ne Greqi.Nuk jane "shpikjet" e mija pamjet satelitore te mara nga anija kozmike "Atlantis" te NASA-s te gjirit te Durresit.Nuk eshte "shpikja" ime perngjasimi i emrit "atlant" me "taulant".Nuk eshte "shpikja" ime zona e larte sizmike ne teritorin e Durresit dhe shkaterimet e panumerta te saj nga keto termete.Une nuk jam perendi.Ti vazhdon ende te permendesh permasat e "stermedha" te Atlantides qe ska perendi ti pranoje dhe ti haje dot se ndryshe sot nuk do te debatonim.
Ti e di mjaft mire se Platoni ka nenkuptuar teritorin ku shtrihej perandoria e Atlantides dhe jo permasat e saj.E pra idashur Nikas permasat e perandorise se Atlantides perputhen pltesisht me harten e perhapjes se fiseve apo popullates protilire ne Mesdhe.I ke kudo .Ne Azi ,ne Lindjen e Mesme ne Italine e Jugut.I ke kudo.Pastaj Platoni thot se Atlantasit benin tregti me greket bile edhe lufte me Athinasit.MOs do te me thuash qe qyterimi helen filloi 11000 vjete me pare.LOL.
Une jam thjesht amator dhe cka po bej e bej si ai femija qe ka qene deshmitar i nje krimi dhe po terheq prej xhakete policin qe sapo ka mberitur ne vendngjarje.
Studimi im eshte sic e thashe i bazuar nga citimet dhe konkluzionet e te tjereve.Por ka shume "koicidenca" ,ka shume bile teper.Konkluzionet do ti nxjerin profesionistat.Une punen time do ta vazhdoje edhe sikur nje njeri i vetem ta vizitoj webpage in tim dhe nuk kerkoj as fonde dhe as nje perfitim tjeter.Ne rast se keto teza provohen ne teren per mua nuk shperblim dhe vleresim me te madh ne bote.
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